white batter + chocolate orange breads
So, it is with unbridled excitement that I began at 10 a.m. on Sunday morning the first of three five-hour bread baking classes at the ICE, the perfect 30th birthday present from Alex after months of shameless hints from me. Exactly as I had hoped, I learned a whole lot of new things, some of which I will happily sum up for you in a hopefully less-than-five-hour format.
11 New-To-Me Things I Learned In My First Bread-Baking Class
[Numbers 12-20]
- The pretty much only difference between All Purpose Bleached and Unbleached flours are the processes used to prepare them; the bleached version is faster and therefore less expensive for manufacturers. (Many say that it causes slightly lower protein contents.) However, they can be used interchangeably as they cause unnoticeably different outcomes. That said, most bakers prefer the unbleached.
- I suppose we may have already known this, but weighing is always superior to measuring with scoops. The teacher showed us three cups of flour measured three different ways. Method 1 was the classic scoop and level — this makes an approximately 5 oz. cup. Method 2 was to gently spoon flour into a cup — this makes an approximately 4 to 4.5 oz. cup. Method 3, which I am all too guilty of, is to scoop and then shake or tap off the excess to level off the top. Bad, bad, bad, this can give you an up to 6 or more oz. cup. You are safest in most recipes with Method 1, but if you know, as we did, that the person who wrote the recipe you are using prefers another (2, in this case) use that.
- Better yet, always leave the last 1/2-cup of flour aside when making bread. As our teacher reminded us, it’s easy to add the extra flour if the dough is too sticky; adding more water if it’s too dry is much more difficult.
- Get comfortable with bread dough on the sticky side as it makes for the softest, least-dense breads. No, not so sticky that you are smearing instead of kneading it across the bench, but stickier than say the type of person (cough) who over-flours things to keep her hands from getting too messy would be comfortable with. Too much flour makes for it harder for the yeast to do its thang.
- This is the one that blew me away: cool temperatures. You know that whole “warm, draft-free place thing” always suggested for first risings? Well, ix-nay the warm. Essentially, long, cool risings develop the best flavors in breads, so the longer you let it grow, the better it will taste. If you bread is growing too quickly, or, if you really have some time to kill, the refrigerator is a great place for it, covered with plastic. It will not kill the yeast. Even better, you could make a dough at night and cook it the next day. Taking the time-sensitive factor out of bread-baking is a total gift to me.
- Rounding the dough, the step between the initial rising and before the final one before its baked, is necessary to allow the dough to recover from the punching down. After you punch down the initial rising, the bread is all verklempt and frazzled. Giving it ten minutes to get itself moving again helps you when you need to create its final shape – be it in a pan or flattened.
- Short of more elaborate tools which will measure your bread, dipping two fingers into flour and then the center of the mound of risen bread is a great way to see if it’s perfectly doubled and ready to be punched down. If the indentation stays, it’s ready, if it bounces back, it’s not. This is used again (well, not in the center but in a less obvious place) when you want to see if your bread is ready for the oven.
- Preheat your oven 25 degrees higher than the recipe suggests, as every time you open the oven, you lose at least this many degrees. Once the bread is in, you can lower the temperature back to the correct one.
- Like with meat, the very best, most reliable way to see if your bread is done is to take its temperature. With the pan breads, we popped them out and checked it from the bottom to avoid many unsightly punctures on top. The bread should be between 190 and 210 degrees F, 210 for basic breads, and lower for enriched breads with eggs and butter. I took out my oatmeal loaf at 204 because it really seemed done and guess what? It could have used 3-5 more minutes. Any instant-read thermometer will do.
- I think we already know how stale this makes them, but don’t refrigerate your bread. Up to a day, they are good at room temperature, but beyond that, the freezer is ideal. (Personally, I think wrapping them twice – first in foil, plastic, or parchment paper and then slipping them into a freezer bag keeps them fresh tasting for a while.)
- Slashing bread is more than decorative, it’s done to control where it pops out when it bakes. We didn’t do this with our pan breads yesterday, but one of the chocolate-orange ones really blew out on one side and not the other, and could have been avoided had we slit it first.
In class one, we focused on pan breads: white, honey whole wheat, cinnamon/raisin swirl, chocolate/orange, oatmeal and a white batter bread. Of these, the one that impressed me the most was the last one — oddly, the only one not kneaded. It probably has too fine a crumb for use with sandwiches, but for toast or just plain snacking, warm from the oven with a dab of butter, it’s delicious.
[Update: Just added the Chocolate Orange Bread Recipe, too.]
White Batter Bread
From the ICE’s Techniques of Bread Baking 1
2 cups warm milk, about 110 degrees
2 1/2 teaspoons (1 envelope; some argue it’s actually 2 1/4 tsp. If you have more time, use the lesser amount) active dry yeast
4 cups unbleached, all-purpose flour
1 tablespoon salt
1 tablespoon sugar
5 tablespoons unsalted butter, melted or vegetable oil
1. Whisk yeast into warm milk and set aside while preparing other ingredients. (About 5 minutes does the trick.)
2. Whisk yeast into salt, sugar and butter.
3. Beat in flour to make a smooth batter, you’ll want to do this for a few minutes.
4. Pour into buttered loaf pan and let rise, covered with a towel or plastic, until doubled.
5. When it’s almost doubled, preheat the oven to 400 degrees and set a rack at the middle level.
6. When it’s completely risen, place in oven and bake about 30 minutes, until it’s golden brown and firm, and the internal temperature is about 210 degrees.
7. Unmold the loaf and let it cool completely on a rack.
Chocolate Orange Bread
From Techniques of Bread Baking 1 at the ICE
Though this sounds more like cake than bread, it is not too sweet and make a perfect breakfast or brunch bread.
1/2 cup warm water, about 110 degrees
2 1/2 teaspoons (1 envelope) active dry yeast
2 3/4 cups unbleached all-purpose flour (remember to reserve some, adding it only if you need)
1/4 cup unsweetened cocoa, about 1 ounce
3 tablespoons sugar
1 teaspoon salt
1 teaspoon finely grated orange zest
1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
2 tablespoons unsalted butter
1/4 cup milk
1 egg
One 8 1/2 x 4 1/2 x 2 3/4-inch loaf pan, buttered
1. Place warm water in a small bowl and whisk in yeast
2. To mix dough by hand, combine flour, cocoa, sugar, salt, orange zest and cinnamon in a mixing bowl and stir well to mix. Rub in butter until no piece of butter remain visible. Add milk, egg and yeast mixture and stir to form a rough dough. Transfer dough to lightly floured work surface (you may need the help of a scraper) and knead until smooth and elastic, about 5 minutes.
3. Place dough in a buttered bowl and turn to coast all sides. Cover bowl with plastic wrap and allow dough to rise until doubled in bulk, about 1 hour.
4. Turn risen dough from bowl out onto a floured work surface. Press down with palms of hands to deflate. To form loaf, stretch dough into a rough rectangle, then fold in short ends until dough is approximately the length of the pan. Then fold far long edge down to the middle. Fold over the remaining long edge and compress to form a tight cylinder. Place the loaf in the pan, seam side down. Cover the pan with plastic wrap (deb note: you’ll want to quickly spray or oil the top of it so it doesn’t stick to the plastic when it rises) and allow dough to rise until doubled, about 1 hour.
5. When the loaf is rising, preheat oven to 375 degrees and set a rack at the middle level.
6. When the loaf is completely risen, place in oven and immediately lower temperature to 350 degrees. Bake about 30 to 40 minutes, until well risen and firm to the tough. The internal temperature of the bread will be about 210 degrees when it’s done. (deb note: might be as low as 190, as this has an egg and butter in it). Unmold the loaf to a rack to cool.













What an awesome birthday present! And gorgeous bread…you’re making me hungry!
That is a fantastic birthday present :) And thank you for posting the guide – I have a ridiculous fear of working with yeast, but having now printed out this post, I’ll make sure to have it with me when I try working with it again!
Thanks for all the tips! I would love to take a baking class, or any cooking class for that matter but have not yet worked myself up to do it. Thanks to you and Cream Puffs in Venice, I’m enjoying living vicariously through other people who are taking classes.
Your site is a delightful form of torture. I’m at a mining camp in Alaska for weeks at a time where the food, though edible, is nothing special. I shall have to collect receipes to try when at home so that I can perhaps balance out the blandness of the food at camp.
And the pictures, well, my mouth is watering. That’s probably the most heartbreaking part of this website! Keep it up!
Excellent post. I love to bake bread, but I am not. good. at. it.
I’ll be copying and printing your tips for future attempts!
What a fanTAStic birthday gift.
Bravo! What a wonderful ode to the powers of yeast and flour! Greedy me would loooove some of the other recipes you sampled in your class. I browsed all your photos on Flicker, and was getting antsy just thinking about making some bread. The wheat loaf (I’m assuming) looked wonderful, and that chocolate orange bread… how sinful! Was it made with cocoa powder or melted chocolate? Would you eat it for breakfast or dessert…. or both?
Thanks!
Jessica
Deb,
Everytime I make bread, I kill the yeast- even with a thermometer. Any tips??
What fun! Can’t wait to hear more stories. And Bawdy Penguin – are you sure your yeast isn’t past its sell-by date? You can add a pinch of sugar to the yeast-water mixture while it proofs, as yeast loves sugar. What it does not love is salt, so wait on adding salt to your mixture until the proofing liquid is nice and bubbly and you’ve added the flour too.
Hilary – If that makes you hungry, let’s all be glad I lack the language to describe its smell. It lured the pastry class across the hall over, trying to exchange bits of their leftovers for samples. As if.
Ellie – I hope to have a lot more where that came from in the coming weeks. Don’t be scared – they say it’s much harder to kill than you think.
Brilynn – This is my first class and it took me years to finally convince people that I meant it when I said that was all I wanted for birthdays or holidays, that is, once they ruled out Tiffany’s. But, I think a lot can be learned from cookbooks and food blogs, possibly even all of it, without taking them. That said, for something as elaborate as bread, I’m thrilled to have someone walk me through all of it before my bad habits get too set and I’ll do my best to share everything.
Meredith – I bet the first thing you make when you get home, even if it’s just grilled cheese, will be the best thing you’ve ever made.
Abby – You should try it! Just follow the instructions, I swear, it works. That’s the only way I learned until now, and you’ll be surprised how easy it is.
Jessica G – I’ll try to put some more up tonight. The basic white is just that, and the oatmeal bread was pretty good. Also, the chocolate/orange. Oy, I have a lot of typing to do.
Bawdy Penguin – I second what Luisa said. They told use to put it in water at 110 degrees (though it doesn’t have to be perfect; very, very hot water will kill it, too cold will just take longer). It’s supposed to be pretty hard to kill, so it’s most likely the product and not you.
Luisa – See, he told us something about the sugar and I forgot now… Nothing bad, just another little trick. I hate forgetting things!
Take more notes next week, Deb! Inquiring minds!
I could be mistaken but that looks like the hands of Chef Loren. Glad you enjoyed the clas – they do great stuff!
Chef Loren spoke highly of you and Wifey! He’s awesome.
So jealous! I would love to take classes like that. Unfortunately, there are none locally. I will enjoy yours vicariously.
You have revived breads in my life! Also, from reading your posts here and at that OTHER site you had, I’ve signed up for cooking classes at the local Viking Cooking School. Soon, I am going to be making gourmet chocolates and fine Tuscan dining.
If you lose 25 degrees every time you open the oven, I wonder if that means you should start off at a higher temperature for whatever you are making, no only bread. And welcome to your new digs.
that last photo….I lost my dad when I was 5. He was a big man in many ways, but gentle….one of my most enduring memories is the bread he baked, paired with fresh made butter, and it was that same bread. You are not kidding when you describe how wonderful it smells…the taste is home and comfort. He was also famous for his homeade bread and butter pickle slices, the likes of which I never tasted in any jar! Bake, Deb, bake your little heart content :)
Jennifer – That’s terrible! When I have my cooking show (evil cackle) I will make sure it is available everywhere.
Jenifer – Aw, thank you! I can’t wait to hear more about it. You’ll need a blog, you know, so we can all take part. :)
Neil – Good question, Neilotchka! I will inquire of Chef Loren next Sunday, if I am not to slow-moving after Rosh Hashanah dinner with the Russians. Heheh.
Jezzie – That’s really beautiful, thank you.
I remember as a little girl, I would go grocery shopping with my grandmother. She would time it so we were there when they took out the fresh baked french bread. She would carefully examine each loaf until she found the perfect one. She was so gentle in the way she placed it in the basket and I would see her smile at her choice.
We would snack on that hot steamy goodness all the way home. She would say, “grocery shopping is hard work, we deserve a snack.” I couldn’t agree with her more. Now that I am older and have lost my grandmother, I have found grocery shopping to be great fun; however, I occasionally indulge in french break snacking on the way home. No butter necessary…let the memories flow!
I love baking bread as well, and one of the books that really got me going was The Bread Baker’s Apprentice. I made a friend get it for me for Christmas one year and she thought I was crazy, and then I opened it immediately and started reading bits aloud to her and she thought I was crazy crazy. You should check it out. :)
wow..I used to seriously dislike bread as a child. I don’t know what I was thinking… cuz now the smell of bread baking gets me super excited. Your apt is gonna smell AWESOME for a while. Lucky u! That’s an awesome b-day present!
You must share the recipe for the chocolate orange bread…you absolutly must….
Christine – I so remember the fresh baked French bread at the store when I was a kid too. To this day, if I smell it, I want to buy it immediately!
A couple of years ago, for Christmas, my husband got me one of the best gifts I’ve ever received – a pink, Kitchen Aid mixer. Anyway, it inspired us (among other things) to start making our own bread and pizza dough. What amazed me was how few ingredients actually went into the pizza dough. Now, we love making homemade pizza – especially now that we’re entering fall. My husband also made sourdough bread. It was so great having homemade bread around the house.
Thank you for posting the cool things you learned in your classes – really helpful information!
I’m thinking about trying this out tonight! Thanks Deb. Did you see the bread recipe in the September issue of Martha Stewart Living? I am considering trying that one out too. I’ll let you know how it goes.
I am an avowed bread baker. My mother taught me how and “bread machine” is a dirty word around her. Thanks so much for the 11 things! So helpful!
Also, are you familar with King Arthur flour? Not only do they mill their own stuff, but their catalogs are filled with oodles of fun toys. Thought you might be interested.
Oh you filled my heart with all the memories of Saturday mornings as a child at my grandparents house. My grandfather was taught to be a baker at CCC camps during the depression. And when i was a kid on Saturdays he would teach me how to make bread from scratch. Oh the pics brought back the memories..BTW the last pic was just mouth watering. Congrats on turning 30. I will be next month.
just excellent Deb. Love the site.
Hi!
I was searching for a really good batter bread recipe on the net when I saw your site.
I tried your White Batter Bread recipe this morning and have pronounced it the best White Bread ever!
Thanks for sharing the recipe. I have recently moved to a new(old, old, old) home that does not have the space or the right surfaces for kneading bread and I thought I was doomed to bad store bread or impossibly overpriced boutique bakery breads.
This stuff is the perfect solution for me!
This could not be easier!! I never thought I’d bake a yeast bread myself!! The taste is quite good. I think I will use less salt and more sugar next time (maybe 2 teaspoons salt and 1 1/2 tablespoons sugar) but I’ll certainly be making it often! We had some with our polish tomato soup and I can’t wait to have some toasted with jam in the morning.
I really enjoyed reading this – I’m currently reading How to Cook by Delia Smith, it explains bread baking really well too, so added to your comments I think i’m all set for my first home bread-baking session! Love the blog, check out mine if you like, i’m new to blogging :) http://ifoundafish.wordpress.com
I made this white bread the other day – I was hesitant about the amount of salt, but I went ahead with it anyway, and next time I will definitely reduce it. I probably could have done just fine with a teaspoon. We had it with jam, so the saltiness and sweetness balanced out, but it was a little salty on its own. However, I do LOVE the ease of preparing it! And it was indeed delicious. Thanks :)
Ok, so I haven’t even finished a slice yet, but just wanted to note for people out there trying this recipe that you probably shouldn’t keep out the entire 1/2 cup of flour on the chocolate orange bread. I added in about 1/4 cup more as I kneaded the bread. The result was a messy, sticky sort of concoction at first, but adding it in slowly worked.
It made the entire house smell wonderful, which is exactly what our family needed during the family emergency–welcoming smells amidst much sadness and loss.
Thanks for the recipes as always.
i would love to make this bread! it’s been years since i’ve baked….i need yeast – can you help?
Wow! Thanks for sharing these recipes! but I usually use instant yeast as I haven’t seen any active dry yeast around. What sort of changes should I make using instant yeast?
Many thanks!
Very usefull post, i think i will use it.
Thanks.
Hey Deb – I tried to make the white batter bread the other day and had mediocre results (I think I let it rise too long). It seemed like such a perfect recipe to try bread making for the first time! How long should I allow for the rise? Did you use AP or bread flour? Thanks.
You can use AP or bread flour, and you want to let it rise until it has doubled in volume. Depending on the warmth of your kitchen and the strength of your yeast, this can take anywhere from one to three hours.
This white batter bread recipe is old and needs a better description but in short: This is an almost cake-y white bread. As you can see in the last two pictures, it doesn’t rise as much as, say, the light wheat bread, and the crumb almost looks like cake (but tastes chewier, and also like bread). It is also insanely delicious.
Hope you’ll have better luck next time!
After having good luck with the light wheat bread recipe on this site, I made the white batter bread yesterday. It was both incredibly easy and wonderful to eat. I used AP flour with a Tablespoon of vital wheat gluten added for good measure, and beat the dough with the KA mixer paddle attachment for three minutes. Definitely use an instant-read thermometer to check the internal temperature of the loaf like the recipe says, because after 30 min. my bread looked deep brown and perfect on top and bottom, but was only 130 degrees inside! It would have been a total disaster if I had taken it out based on looks alone. I covered the top with foil so it wouldn’t get any more brown and left it in for what seemed like forever, until it finally reached 210. It was moist and delicious. I will make it again, often. Thank you for yet another winner!
Hi,
Well – I just finished mixing up a batch of the White Batter Bread and I have a couple of observations to make, and questions to ask.
First, I used Instant Yeast (2 1/4 tsp.) as that is all that I have, and I used my scale to weigh out all of the ingredients – after converting the amounts to weight, of course. Second, I ended up beating the batter in my KA Mixer (with the paddle attachment) at a speed of 8 for five minutes and a speed of 6 for an additional two minutes. My initial observation, after the mixing, was that the dough looked a lot like Ciabatta dough.
I did not know if mixing for five to eight minutes was the original intent for the Batter Bread Recipe, however, I wanted to mix until I reached a stretchy “Windowpane” consistency – which is what I do for all the wet doughs that I work with. In fact, every recipe for a wet dough that I have ever worked with pretty much demands that you beat it to Windowpane consistency, in order to properly develop the Gluten.
Anyway, the recipe makes a beautiful, stretchy, wet dough – which I did not need to so much as pour into my pan, as dump and then pat gently into shape. I found the dough very easy to work with, and it has been rising for about a half hour now; I thought that I would give it about an hour before I would bother to check in on it.
Finally, I decided to use my Tea Loaf Pan (from King Arthur) to bake the loaf in, which is 12″ x 4″ x 2 1/2″ in size and holds the equivalent of a 9″ x 5″ loaf. What I am going to do is bake the loaf at 375 degrees, and as far as time – well – I am going to play that one by ear, and take it’s temperature at the half hour mark. This Tea Loaf Pan is supposed to cut baking time by 25%, so I will test that theory out.
Thats it, for now. I will post back when the bread is baked, cooled and taste-tested. If this turns out to be worth my while, then I will post back with the ingredient weights that I converted everything to, just in case someone else out there measures by weight, instead of volume.
Wish me luck!
I tried the white batter bread but 1 tablespoon was WAAAY too much salt. I reduced it down to 1 teaspoon the next time and it was much better. Seriously the first time I was choking.
Was the tablespoon a typo? Or do you really bake with that much salt?
Last night I made the white batter bread. I used buttermilk instead of regular milk. I just tasted a slice and it’s wonderful. This is a really easy bread to make. I think it’s even tastier than the no-knead bread! Be sure to butter the loaf pan as directed, though, because I skimped on this step and struggled to get the bread out of the pan.
I just made the chocolate orange bread, and it came out beautiful… but it has this strange acidic taste (that apparently only I can feel, otherwise it’s good). Could it be that there is too much yeast? It seems a whole lot for the amount of flour, and it rose like crazy. Like was already mentioned, the dough was really sticky and I had to add a lot of flour.
Since coming across this recipe last week, I have made this 4 times! Bread that I can make after work on a weekday… unbelievable!! It is delicious. Now I want to mess around with the ingredients. Do you think I could adapt it to whole wheat? Or maybe to cinnamon swirl bread? Any other additions you can think of? My kids love it as sandwich bread (or just slathered with nutella). Thank you for the wonderful recipes.
holy smokes, am i the only one for whom the white bread batter totally overflowed?!! Did I let it rise too long?
casey- I’ve made this bread twice in a 9×5 pan and it overflowed both times. My kitchen was very cool but it still doubled in under an hour. I’m going to try less yeast and pour in less batter next time. This recipe is just too delicious to give up on!
As I was perusing your site, I found this recipe and I have to admit – it intrigued me because while I don’t mind kneading bread, I’m always on the look out for great no-knead breads. And since I’ve had great success with the recipes from this site that I’ve made, I had to try this one. Except, I doctored it up with two medium sized vidalias, halved and thinly sliced and caramellized and about half a cup of freshly grated parmesan cheese. And it’s divine…except I wish I’d thought to toast some herbs and sprinkle them on top. Maybe next time, eh? =)
Yup, mine overflowed too. Glad to hear I’m not the only one. ;) Still, it turned out pretty delicious.